Suggestion Dead Accounts Not Affecting Leeching Total

[KuriusGeorgLoPez]

Hey, I have no idea whether this is possible or not, so if it's not, feel free to close this.

What I'm asking for is for accounts you mark as dead to not be counted in the anti-leeching "accounts taken" counter.

While normally I get an account in the first or second try, there have been times I'm looking for a more obscure account that hasn't been posted recently, and I hit the account cap for replying entirely with dead accounts, and then I can't actually even get an account for 24 hours...While the system sees this as 9 accounts taken (my daily cap), in reality I've taken 0.

Like I said, just ignore this if it's not possible. I don't know what MyBB make possible through their software. Just a suggestion if possible.

Cons: while I do want this, I also see the possible con that people might just report an account as dead to leech easier. There isn't really a solution to this, but since reporting a live account as dead is already breaking the rules, it shouldn't be an issue to ban the people who are obviously being malicious.

While I see benefit to my suggestion for myself, I feel it would help lower tier accounts even more. If your limit is 1 or 3 acocunts, and the 1 you take is dead, and you report it as dead, it doesn't seem fair to punish a person for something they can't control. The lower your account limit, the more this change would help you.

Thanks for taking the time to read this!  

[454subash]

Actually you already posted the main Con which is why that kind of system is not in place.Not all members can be trusted is what I found through my experience here.So,If the system you suggested had been used people would automatically just report working as dead accounts and take multiple accounts and if we ban them,they create duplicate account to repeat the cycle which causes a major setback for everyone.

Also another thing is,you said in reality you have taken 0 but they were posted when they were working,So technically you took 9 as we can't check immediately to know what you reported is true,also some may show as dead due to IPs while working for others and such and also there is a mild chance of them working after some days too as some people would renew subscription after some time,etc.So we can't be sure until our super mod checks them and move them.But to be safe it automatically closes once reported threads to avoid others from replying and wasting their quota.There were many cases of reopening reported threads as they were working.

Now lets come to the positive side of existing one,With it people are conscious about limits and use them carefully.Also we are awarding people with reputation for reporting dead accounts which helps them increase their rank and get more benefits in the long run.Also precisely for the issue of running into dead account and waiting for 24 hrs can be frustrating, we changed from 1 to minimum 2 accounts per day from basic member to decrease the chance of bad luck but it may still happen but we can't  do anything about that,as now if one account is dead people report it, take another and get rep for reporting and if they contribute a little extra with this,they rise up and no longer has to deal with these issues.

We kept improving the system or rules a lot to reach this level.There is always room for improvement,So keep the suggestions coming and Sorry for the long post.

[KuriusGeorgLoPez]

Thanks for the reply, and I completely understand and have to agree. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they'll follow the rules, but obviously as a mod, you have to see things differently in order to be proactive and preventative, not just punitive. I was thinking more with an ideal state of mind where everyone follows the rules, but obviously that's not the case as leechers and abusers exist as we see everyday, and a mod would know better than anyone. I see your point and this might just have to be something that we look at and say  "in a different, perfect world perhaps it could exist" and forget about it in reality. I have to say I'd be a bit disappointed, but I'd completely understand. Enforcing the rules of the forum to give everyone a better experience is definitely more important than giving a few people a bit more convenience every so often. I guess it comes down to luck and planning for people. We have to decide to be more careful when taking accounts instead of just trying over and over again. For someone like me, it might just be about trying a few times, and if it doesn't work, try again the next day a few more times and split it up until I find a working one. Many days I take 0 accounts, but on these rare occurrences I hit the limit. Maybe I just need to plan what accounts I take in a better and more long term fashion instead of on impulse.

[sksrew]

@ KuriusGeorgLoPez

I get your concern, I have a proposal to address this:

when accounts meet specific age, for example 7 months old, they are moved to old accounts section, and in this section we have more daily quota like 5 or 6.

That would balance higher daily quota with old accounts which are probably already dead..

this would also promote ppl to reply to old accounts, because no one wants to spend their valuable quota with old accounts, and a lot of accounts end up forgotten with no replies

for example:
we have 3 quota in regular porn
We have 5 quota at old accounts

if we reply 3 times at old section it also counts at the regular porn section and vice versa, like the counters in regular and old section are connected

That's my strategy to promote old accounts

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@ KuriusGeorgLoPez

I get your concern, I have a proposal to address this:

when accounts meet specific age, for example 7 months old, they are moved to old accounts section, and in this section we have more daily quota like 5 or 6.

That would balance higher daily quota with old accounts which are probably already dead..

this would also promote ppl to reply to old accounts, because no one wants to spend their valuable quota with old accounts, and a lot of accounts end up forgotten with no replies

for example:
we have 3 quota in regular porn
We have 5 quota at old accounts

if we reply 3 times at old section it also counts at the regular porn section and vice versa, like the counters in regular and old section are connected

That's my strategy to promote old accounts

and that would vary by rank

junior
1 regular
2 from old

basic
2 regular 
4 from old

senior
3 regular
5 old

[Mr. James Bond]

@ KuriusGeorgLoPez

I get your concern, I have a proposal to address this:

when accounts meet specific age, for example 7 months old, they are moved to old accounts section, and in this section we have more daily quota like 5 or 6.

That would balance higher daily quota with old accounts which are probably already dead..

this would also promote ppl to reply to old accounts, because no one wants to spend their valuable quota with old accounts, and a lot of accounts end up forgotten with no replies

for example:
we have 3 quota in regular porn
We have 5 quota at old accounts

if we reply 3 times at old section it also counts at the regular porn section and vice versa, like the counters in regular and old section are connected

That's my strategy to promote old accounts

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@ KuriusGeorgLoPez

I get your concern, I have a proposal to address this:

when accounts meet specific age, for example 7 months old, they are moved to old accounts section, and in this section we have more daily quota like 5 or 6.

That would balance higher daily quota with old accounts which are probably already dead..

this would also promote ppl to reply to old accounts, because no one wants to spend their valuable quota with old accounts, and a lot of accounts end up forgotten with no replies

for example:
we have 3 quota in regular porn
We have 5 quota at old accounts

if we reply 3 times at old section it also counts at the regular porn section and vice versa, like the counters in regular and old section are connected

That's my strategy to promote old accounts

and that would vary by rank

junior
1 regular
2 from old

basic
2 regular 
4 from old

senior
3 regular
5 old

I like this idea. It's logical and has sense. However, I have no idea if this is possible to create (most likely is) and no idea if it can be technically solved the way it works as you have suggested.

[DA]

Hello guys!

This suggestion has been discussed many times in the past and i can completely agree with you @ KuriusGeorgLoPez on this.

I can understand how can one feel after getting blocked for reporting dead accounts. You could feel yourself punished for reporting them ,i agree.

The antileeching plugin we use, can't distinguish between a dead and a good account. It is used to put a limit in the background, which will block the user if he tries to cross the daily limit, which is 6 accounts and 3 backdoors in your case. And as you already told, you were able to try 9 accounts as the plugin puts a general limit not limit in different forums, otherwise you would have been blocked after getting the 6th account

This could happen once a year that the user gets blocked because all the accounts he tried were dead and had reached the limit for the current day. I underlined "once a year" because most of the accounts are working only because of this plugin as we could avoid the leechers.

We gave full freedom to the members time ago but then this happened:

PLEASE READ.

After getting betrayed more than once, the rules were changed and adapted to the current situation. But as you have already read the post from @ 454subash we have been implementing other things to incourage the users, like providing them reps and giving them 2 accounts/day instead of only one ecc ecc. The forum rules aren't final, they could be changed as of the situation.

The idea from @ sksrew is good but we can still never distinguish between dead and alive accounts, an account posted 3 years ago can still work and an account posted 3 minutes ago could be dead.

My idea would be the following:

"If any paid user, reaches his limit and was able to get ZERO alive accounts, he would get +1 day on his membership".

OR

"We  could call some CSC in action"

Other suggestions?

Thanks for understanding.

[sksrew]

Hello guys!

This suggestion has been discussed many times in the past and i can completely agree with you @ KuriusGeorgLoPez on this.

I can understand how can one feel after getting blocked for reporting dead accounts. You could feel yourself punished for reporting them ,i agree.

The antileeching plugin we use, can't distinguish between a dead and a good account. It is used to put a limit in the background, which will block the user if he tries to cross the daily limit, which is 6 accounts and 3 backdoors in your case. And as you already told, you were able to try 9 accounts as the plugin puts a general limit not limit in different forums, otherwise you would have been blocked after getting the 6th account

This could happen once a year that the user gets blocked because all the accounts he tried were dead and had reached the limit for the current day. I underlined "once a year" because most of the accounts are working only because of this plugin as we could avoid the leechers.

We gave full freedom to the members time ago but then this happened:

PLEASE READ.

After getting betrayed more than once, the rules were changed and adapted to the current situation. But as you have already read the post from @ 454subash we have been implementing other things to incourage the users, like providing them reps and giving them 2 accounts/day instead of only one ecc ecc. The forum rules aren't final, they could be changed as of the situation.

The idea from @ sksrew is good but we can still never distinguish between dead and alive accounts, an account posted 3 years ago can still work and an account posted 3 minutes ago could be dead.

My idea would be the following:

"If any paid user, reaches his limit and was able to get ZERO alive accounts, he would get +1 day on his membership".

OR

"We  could call some CSC in action"

Other suggestions?

Thanks for understanding.

I discussed this with @ DA before, if we go to page 120 we see lots of accounts with no replies, users are afraid to reply to those coz they are probably dead.

"Poor accounts that never met their purpose of getting a single reply"

i must agree that some old ones still work, I have a 2 years pornportal account still working, its weird

my suggestion would turn old accounts more attractive to the public:
imagine @ KuriusGeorgLoPez
6 from MPA
10 accounts from old section
( with connected counters )

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No one will ever use their quota to reply to a 7 months old sislovesme accounts, there is a 97% probability of them being dead

[DA]

@ sksrew i completely understand your point of view but if the users aren't replying to them because they are old, then we can even move them to a new forum, named OLD FORUM, they will still get no replies.

CS is running pretty much it was thought before we created it and i am not ready to make any un-necessary changes. A problem which occurs once a year, can be solved easily and hopefully the gold members understand what i meant to say. If there are limits, they are there to just provide you the best quality with the proper quantity. Without these, you won't be getting 99% working accounts even in the FPA.

Regards.

[sksrew]

@ sksrew i completely understand your point of view but if the users aren't replying to them because they are old, then we can even move them to a new forum, named OLD FORUM, they will still get no replies.

if you place an extra daily quota in this old section they'll at least try

[DA]

@ KuriusGeorgLoPez let me know if i can move this.